For anyone in the San Francisco area I’ll be stuck at the San Francisco airport from when I clear customs on the 8th of July (some time about 8pm or 9 depending on how late/early the flight is), until I need to board/clear security for the connecting flight at about 11:30pm (flight isn’t till 12:30am), so if anyone wants to be assured/have coffee/whatever I’m guessing I’ll be pretty bored by that point and welcome anyone wanting a chat, as I’ll have been on planes/in airports for about 24 hours prior… Feel free to Contact Me
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FISL 6.0 (Brasil)
In June 1-4, 2005 we had FISL 6.0 happening in Porto Alegre, RS, Brasil, which had more than 5000 participants (the count on the site is not accurate it seems).
We had a stand there, for CAcert and the Brazilian CAcert user group, in which we were doing assurances during the whole event.
We had assurance count way below our expectations, a little above 100, but we made very good contacts there, and many people got interested in the project but not confident enough to start using it yet. Many of those asked several times if there was really no cost, because commercial CAs are really unaffordable here, and the government-owned CA (ICP-Brasil) charges a good deal (R$ 400, about US$ 170) for a client certificate.
More pictures of FISL can be found here
Why PKI is a better option then biometrics or RFID tags
I’ve touched on this before, but I recently stumbled upon a link again to an early example in the real world which makes the point very obvious.
The biggest benefit about biometrics and RFID tags is also the biggest problem. Biometrics and RFID are designed to not change, and make use of things such as your finger print, and in the case of RFID tags a fixed hexadecimal number. While you can never “loose” your fingerprint like you can your password, people can’t easily duplicate your fingerprints on the spot either so they start taking body parts instead.
Of course RFID tags only become a similar problem when it’s actually embedded under your skin, but already a lot of people are doing this, or contemplating doing it for more “convenience”, and while they think they only have limited range they haven’t played with highly directional antenna, people thought blue tooth problems weren’t an issue because you had to be within 10m of the person you’re targeting, that is of course until someone started playing with high gain antennas and manged to get between 100 to 1000m range to a normal mobile phone.
The US and other governments around the world are currently pushing for contact-less RFIDs in passports, as a security measure, but time and time again these “feel good” security measures don’t do much for security and simply give the community at large a warm fuzzy feeling about how their governments are protecting them with better security measures at border crossings. Quite frankly if current estimates of 10 million illegal immigrants in the US is correct what’s to stop the big bad enemy (I refuse to say the “T” word because it’s really a pot calling the kettle black) from sneaking in the same way, oh sorry forgot that they were actually buddies with guys in power and were let in the front door!
Also this little sound bite from the CAcert Support mailing list today:
Here in Nebraska we implemented a 3D bar coding system on the drivers license, and all sorts of new security features on our licenses in 2003, making them extremely hard to duplicate. Within months the machines used to manufacture them was stolen, enabling the thieves to make perfect forgeries.
At the end of the day all these new security measures do is make it easier for governments to track and control their citizens, the bad guys will still do bad things!
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Gemplus Kit
I had a few more PKI cards turn up today, so far no luck with those either, even though they have been pre-loaded with a GemSAFE image. I plan to contact the local distribtor in the morning to see if we can nut something out. I did take a stanley knife to the GemSAFE card I have to fit it in the GemPC Key reader, and it works quite nicely.
Below are some photos I took earlier on tonight.
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Is it finally time to sound the death knell to passwords?
Security mechanisms can be defined in the following ways “something you know”, “something you have” and “something you are”.
Passwords are something you know
PKI cards/tokens are something you have
Biometrics is something you are
The problem I have with biometrics is you can’t change the tokens, and this can be bad for a number of reasons. For example, some new cars come with a biometric reader so they can claim they are harder to steal, but as one proud new owner found out it just makes criminals hurt you more, so now he doesn’t have a car and he has one less finger, that’s right, they stole his car and cut off his finger as well!
My preference lies with something you have, that is PKI hardware, which in most cases also requires a PIN, which is something you know, which adds up to 2 factor authentication. The beauty of this system is that the PIN and the card by themselves are useless, having the card by itself is useless because if you get the PIN wrong 3 times the cards will lock themselves to prevent brute force attacks, and of course the PIN by itself is pointless.
And so begins my epic tale of getting PKI hardware to work with Linux, and the difficulty I encountered highlighting one of the many reasons PKI hasn’t taken off in a big way.
This week I met up with a nice gentlemen, who happened to be the distributor for Gemplus products in Australia/New Zealand, and was kind enough to give me a few of their products for evaluation purposes. I believe others have also managed to get evaluation kit from Aladdin as well, check the main mailing list archive for details on that.
In any case this was my first look at any kind of PKI based hardware, and as per usual for Linux driver support and integration between applications leave a lot to be desired, but the lack of coherent documentation was an even bigger headache.
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Conundrum
One FUD issue some people keep regurgitating to keep us from being included in browsers is they worry about us issuing certificates for the likes of paypal.com, most people pushing this line tend to neglect to mention that issuing a certificate on it’s own is mostly useless, unless you can attack the host file on a users computer or the DNS name system, in which case there is bigger problems then falsely issued SSL certificates, especially since most phishing attacks (which is the assumption likely to abuse this) don’t even resort to using SSL.
Currently we require people to have code signing access before issuing IDN/punycode domain/email certificates, and it has been suggested that we have a similar requirement for anyone requesting certificates for high profile sites.
One way to determine popularity is by sites like alexa.com which give out rankings.
I guess the question is how popular must a site be if we want to enforce this, and over what time period?
Another concern is with large organisations as a lot of departments inside these organisations run their own sub-domain and the TLD is handled usually by the main IT department, and this could be cause for concern if someone registers the TLD and starts getting certificates for either the entire organisation or for sub-domains they shouldn’t be allowed to control, this is usually controlled by an organisations IT policy, but this call also lead to someone intercepting traffic by setting up a reverse proxy, and there is questions hanging over this as it will potentially effect legit users one way or another.
Browser exploit v SSL root key in the wild
Many people have cited the reason for excluding us is based on our perceived ability to protect our root certificate and in fact most consider it worst then a critical browser exploit, but the more I think about this, the more I’m convinced this is just wrong, so I went to the trouble of trying to break the situation down logically, and here’s my risk analysis of the situation:
A browser exploit can effect all users of a particular browser (mozilla says 50mill so I’ll run with estimates based on that).
Browser exploits are pretty clear cut to calculate and would have the potential base of 50 million users to exploit.
A bad certificate on the other hand, the numbers aren’t so clear and you have to do some educated guessing as to what the risk would be closer to.
Without any more specific details of region break downs I’ll have to assume that the 50 million users are evenly distributed more or less on eastern and western Europe, North America, some parts of Central and Latin America and the Asia Pacific regions.
We also have to assume that most banks are either very geographically specific, or at most have a website on a per country basis and they operate different sites in different countries.
To exploit DNS effectively you either have to control a root name server or be able to exploit individual name servers of ISPs in a concurrent fashion. The banking industry and large merchants already pay large sums of money to be notified of DNS based attacks, so the risk here is going to be mitigated some what compared to normal merchant sites, and if we’re talking about normal merchants the threat is considerably lower due to lack of continuous contact that people would have, compared with their banks, and of course replication of the entire shopping cart since you need to make product selection before purchasing.
Ok, so if we evenly distribute the number of firefox copies over 6 areas and assume a penetration rate about equal we end up with about 8 to 10 million users in each location, the above numbers are spread over multiple countries so we’ll assume for the time being that at most, there are approx 3 million users in any given country.
Further to that the potential number of users likely to be effected by a DNS based attack is in the 100’s of 1000’s at most (I’m being generous, more then likely it will be MUCH less) for a banking website used nationally. To attack companies like Amazon.com or ebay.com you’d have to replicate the entire shopping cart system, of which there are easier attacks currently being deployed.
So a browser exploit is likely to effect: 50,000,000
A root certificate breach is likely to effect 100,000 or less, and that’s based on the assumption of a successful DNS breach on a mass scale, where a browser exploit may only need the user to visit a web page.So the difference between a browser exploit having a detrimental effect or an SSL root cert exploited is somewhere in the vicinity 500x greater, although this easily could be 5000x or more depending on what figures you based your breakdown on, how proactive the bank is preventing other forms of attack so on and so forth.
Just one final note, if the domain is hijacked or even just DNS spoofed you don’t need have a root cert escape into the wild there are plenty of CAs already in the browser root stores that will issue control of domain certificates including Verisign via Thawte 123, Geotrust and Godaddy to name but a few, and this is part of the reason banks employee the services to prevent DNS based attacks, although the real reason is the fact people just don’t take enough care and verify they are connected by SSL before sending sensitive information.
So no matter how the above risk is twisted with FUD, the facts are that an SSL root key loose in the wild is highly over rated due to other factors mitigating risks.
Pushing Ahead
I think one of the key things that will help push things forward is and always has been our web of trust, while on the surface it seems like just a way to unlock features on the website such as increasing the length of time certificates are valid, or getting your name/company details onto certificates. However in my opinion the big advantage, which is currently largely unrealised, that our web of trust over most other internet identity schemes is that it is technology neutral, and this gives us an advantage over things like the PGP web of trust which is locked to a specific technology. If at any time in the future they move away from PKI and x509 certificates we can simply integrate the technology into our system and keep going like we always have been.
Also an insightful comment submitted on the previous post suggested that if we managed to convert 10% of self signed websites, we’ll be well on our way to having a lot more mind share, and I guess this is where things like inclusion in the Debian ca-certificates package start to become significant, because this can then be leveraged to make it easier for certificate chaining once we start offering the option to have certificates signed by a higher trust certificate for those with 50 points or more, which hopefully will be within the next 24 hours all going well!
So I guess this begs the question if anyone have any contacts with any distros or other high profile sites using self signing, that we can talk to or if you’re able to convince them to start getting their certs signed by us it would push things along that little bit further that little bit quicker, and of course getting assured will improve the over all trust of the network, especially the more inter-twined it becomes.
Unassured Certificates Updates
I really don’t think a consensus was reached over the issue of what to do with unassured people issuing certificates. Long term my thoughts were to disable most functions from anyone not assured, but that requires some kind of critical mass which I just don’t think we have at present.
I think intent plays a big part here, by that I mean if you are utilising CAcert for certificates to secure emails, or even just IRC you’re more likely to stop using CAcert and go back to self signing if you’re not assured, where as those pushing to stop having unassured people issue certificates tend to fall into one of two camps, those assured, or those that think SSL can in some way greatly increase security, and I guess to an extent those already assured are perhaps leaning towards the latter as well.
So I guess here is my challenge to those wanting for a more secure internet, get out there and start assuring more people, because this then leads to critical mass which allows us the ability of making decisions based on merit rather then knee jerk.